BAO Joint
  • Ronny KhalilRonny Khalil
    Hi. I’m just starting to dig in to BAO Bones. Is there something Joint can do that I can’t accomplish with Bones?
  • leroy francoisleroy francois
    Hi!

    the 2 plugins are pretty different, even if you can achieve things really close...
    -Bones is a rigging plugin. It means it includes all the IK calculation, and you can rig an arm or a leg in just a few clicks.
    -Joint is a distortion plugin. It doesn't deal with IK or any other "behind the scene" calculations. BUT, it can adapt to any IK rig done with expressions, parenting, ...

    In fact, Joint uses the same kind of distortion algorithm than Bones, but you can use it to link any layer, with or without IK. So, to answer your question, if you use it for IK only, you can get the same result with both (but only Bones will take care of the rigging itself). But if you use it for other types of distortions (see the fish in the demo), then Joint will give you results Bones can't achieve.

    Cheers,
    François
  • Ronny KhalilRonny Khalil
    That makes sense now that I've played with Bones a bit (which is fantastic!) I'm also a big fan of Layer Sculptor, though I wish there was more comprehensive tutorials for it. I can sense how powerful it is but haven't quite wrapped my head around it other than its basic functionality. Hope to see more videos for it in the future! As for Joint, I can't afford it at this time but its definitely on my wish list. Thanks!
  • leroy francoisleroy francois
    Glad you like it!

    In fact, plugins are sometimes difficult to describe... The best way to get it is to try it :-)

    Cheers,
    François
  • Ronny KhalilRonny Khalil
    will do! i love the happy accidents that come out of just playing.
  • Giovanni ZaccariaGiovanni Zaccaria
    Is anyone else having a problem with this messing up After Effects 2020?  All my comp previews turn black screen when I have this plugin installed.  Using Windows 10 and After Effects 2020.
  • leroy francoisleroy francois
    Giovanni Zaccaria said:
    Is anyone else having a problem with this messing up After Effects 2020?  All my comp previews turn black screen when I have this plugin installed.  Using Windows 10 and After Effects 2020.
    Hi,
    there is no known incompatibility with AE 2020.
    Can you open a support ticket so we can try to see what's causing this?

    Cheers,
    François
  • fadu dbafadu dba
    Hi I tried to use the trial before buying it. But in Apple Silicon and After effects beta it doesnt' work. It shows in the menu but the plugin can't be used
  • leroy francoisleroy francois
    fadu dba said:
    Hi I tried to use the trial before buying it. But in Apple Silicon and After effects beta it doesnt' work. It shows in the menu but the plugin can't be used
    Hi,

    can you tell me more? Do you get any warning from AE?

    Cheers,
    François
  • fadu dbafadu dba
    leroy francois said:
    fadu dba said:
    Hi I tried to use the trial before buying it. But in Apple Silicon and After effects beta it doesnt' work. It shows in the menu but the plugin can't be used
    Hi,

    can you tell me more? Do you get any warning from AE?

    Cheers,
    François
    Hi I get this error from Joint plugin aswell for mask avenger 2 

    After Effects (Beta) error: Couldn't find main entry point for Mask_ Reader plugin
    ( 48 :: 72 )

    After Effects (Beta) error: Couldn't find main entry point for Mask_ Avenger, plugin
    ( 48 :: 72 )

    After Effects (Beta) error: Couldn't find main entry point for BAO _Joint plugin (48 :
    72)

    can you help me please!, 

    thanks in advance
  • leroy francoisleroy francois
    fadu dba said:

    After Effects (Beta) error: Couldn't find main entry point
    This error would appear with pre-M1 versions. Please make sure you're using the latest update of the plugins. If the error persists, please open a support ticket, we'll try to figure it out.

    Cheers,
    François
  • leroy francoisleroy francois
    The issue's been fixed :-)
  • Joey BiancoJoey Bianco
    Love this plugin but it's causing some GPU issues. When I use Joint it maxes out my GPU memory which causes Ae to get real bogged down and sometimes crash. I have a 3080 with 10 GB and other GPU accelerated plugins use about 2.5-7 GB of memory and lets it go where Joint maxes to 10 GB and holds onto it the whole time Ae is open (even a different project). I've tried adjusting the Project Settings from CUDA, OpenCL to just Mercury and it happens despite that. Thoughts? I'm using GPU-Z to monitor performance.
  • Kid KyoteKid Kyote
    Using new AE on a Mac Studio. Joint crashes when I select Dad or Mom layer. "After Effects can't continue: Joint plugin generated an unexpected exception" is the error. FPces AE to restart. 

    Thank you!
  • leroy francoisleroy francois
    Kid Kyote said:
    Using new AE on a Mac Studio. Joint crashes when I select Dad or Mom layer. "After Effects can't continue: Joint plugin generated an unexpected exception" is the error. FPces AE to restart. 

    Thank you!
    Hi,

    thanks for reporting. Can you open a support ticket, so we can try to fix it ?

    Cheers,
    François
  • Rommel DiazRommel Diaz
    My problem with this is it doesn't; work the same as the tutorial where it bends the object in just one point. The tutorial shows it but when I actually parent it, it distorts everything.
  • Rommel DiazRommel Diaz
    Can I get a sample project which is the same as the tutorial that you provided?

  • leroy francoisleroy francois
    Rommel Diaz said:
    Can I get a sample project which is the same as the tutorial that you provided?

    Please open a support ticket and send me your project instead, so I an see what's going wrong here.

    Cheers,
    François
  • Rommel DiazRommel Diaz
    Okay now when I open AE, this is what I am getting. Unsupported file type. 

    Also, I tried on another machine, the plugin doesn't appear in AE's list of effects. It used to be there but now AE doesn't seem recognize the plugin.
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  • leroy francoisleroy francois
    Rommel Diaz said:
    Okay now when I open AE, this is what I am getting. Unsupported file type. 

    Also, I tried on another machine, the plugin doesn't appear in AE's list of effects. It used to be there but now AE doesn't seem recognize the plugin.
    Hi,

    I guess the Mac version was accidently installed on a Windows machine...
    Please remove BAO_Joint.plugin and install BAO_Joint.aex instead.

    Cheers,
    François
  • Kaveh Vakili-ZadKaveh Vakili-Zad
    does Bao Joint do anything that Bao Bones doesn't?

    thanks
  • leroy francoisleroy francois
    Kaveh Vakili-Zad said:
    does Bao Joint do anything that Bao Bones doesn't?

    thanks
    Hi!

    Joint uses the same algorithms than Bones to distor layers. However while Bones also handles all the IK / rigging part, Joint doesn't, so it can be used with any other type of rigging / IK / parenting...

    The trial is free, so you can give it a try and see by yourself if it fits your needs :-)

    Cheers,
    François
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